Posts by Brother Apostate

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Noah's Ark a full time building project, so where did Noah get his food?

by VM44 in

here is a question about noah and his ark building project.. building an ark would be a full time job!

and not just building it, the materials that made up the ark had to be collected and fashioned, they just weren't laying about!..

ok, but what about the food, housing and clothing for noah and his family?

Brother Apostate

BA,
Yes, 8 healthy people working full time for 100 years could conceivably build a box to the dimensions specified in the bible. But I have a couple of questions for you...
Why did you personally attack someone simply cause they disagreed with you? (As in proclaiming that they had an IQ that would make them retarded.)
Do you actually believe that the flood story is legitimate?
Is your only point that a group of 8 people could build the physical ark in 100 years, or are you actually proclaiming your belief that these events occurred?
Thanks.
PS - That wasnt a haiku, by the way...you have 4 too many lines, and way too many syllables...

Please note that I said they had up to 100 years between Gen 5 & 6 to build the Ark. It could have been accomplished in much less time. As for gathering enough food for the time on the ark, it was (and still, for some cultures, is) common to store food, enough for a year, or in the case of the Egyptians for example, years. There is nothing impossible about anything in the Biblical narrative.

Anyone with good reading comprehension would note what I stated about the 100 year period being a maximum, not the actual time it took to complete the Ark. So now as usual on this forum I am forced to repeat myself to defend what I already stated to those who don't comprehend what they read. Such is the norm here. Again, this also the case with the IQ statement made previously. Note the word "if". Nuff said?

Of course the flood story is legitimate. These events actually occured. Correct. 100s of pages have already been dedicated to answering that question. Again, if you choose to disbelieve, alternative explanations can be bandied about ad nausem. But the fact remains that everything the Bible describes happened, and will happen, and no serious proof that these things did not or could not occur has ever been advanced, only alternative theories and prejudiced viewpoints based on an agenda of Bible Bashing.

BA- Faithful.

PS- On the Haiku, yes, of course, I should have called it a poem as it is not a 5-7-5 syllable, 3 line Haiku. I have a black eye on that one, true. I'm all better now, though!

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Noah's Ark a full time building project, so where did Noah get his food?

by VM44 in

here is a question about noah and his ark building project.. building an ark would be a full time job!

and not just building it, the materials that made up the ark had to be collected and fashioned, they just weren't laying about!..

ok, but what about the food, housing and clothing for noah and his family?

Brother Apostate

Hi VM44,

In case you are serious (which it doesn't seem you are, at least this time), let me see if I can answer your question in more detail:

The reason that I asked the question that started this thread is that I was thinking that after working to pay the mortgage and buy food (that is already available in a store!) there really isn't very much time left over, certainly not enough time for one to go out and build a huge wooden ship from scratch!

Surely you jest! You of course realize that stores and mortgages did not exist at that time. Well, perhaps stores, but of a different sort, such as buildings to "store" food. Again, if you study pre 19th century human life you will find that up to that time work was done by hand, and building a "huge wooden ship" by hand would have been no mre difficult, albeit more time consuming, than building a house ar other building.

In Noah's time the 4 men and 4 women would also have had full time jobs in order to put food on the table! Hence the question as to where they would have had the time and energy to not just build the Ark, but to also obtain and fashion the materials used to build it.

Lol, I can see you are joking, but just for the record, working the land (planting seeds for harvest), shepherding, hunting, trapping and the like are the way humans lived for thousanads of years, not just during noah's time. There's always time left over to build an ark or two if the spirit drives you. Especially with 8 people and lots of time. So, again, in all seriousness, this could have been accomplished in a decade or so, although they had much more time than that it would seem.

Also, they would have had to grow, or collect, enough food and water to last them and all the animals to be in the Ark for about a year.

Again, par for the course in those days.

Logistically, could all of the required work have been done by 8 people, even if they had 120 years to do it?

Like I said, probably could have been accomplished in roughly a decade, but they had much more time. In any case, it is all possible. Once again, an argument for another possibility does not negate the Biblical narrative. The same is true of the other facets of the Noah's Ark story, all which have been attacked and succesfully defended as possible here on JWD and elsewhere on the web.

I chose to respond to this thread to demonstrate that the issues you raised are easily answered. But I have no interest in beating a dead horse regarding what has been answered already by myself and others on other threads and other websites.

Cheers,

BA

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Noah's Ark a full time building project, so where did Noah get his food?

by VM44 in

here is a question about noah and his ark building project.. building an ark would be a full time job!

and not just building it, the materials that made up the ark had to be collected and fashioned, they just weren't laying about!..

ok, but what about the food, housing and clothing for noah and his family?

Brother Apostate

A Haiku for you:

To all those JWD "Jeffros",

with the fingers-in-your-ears pose,

We'll agree to disagree thence,

You willfully ignore the evidence,

your prejudices on display,

what more then can I say?

Search the narrow and cramped road.

BA-

PS- All the other stuff you brought up, Jeffro, has already been beaten to death here and elsewhere. Use the search feature here or Google it, I'll not waste my time beating that dead horse. The thread is about how they had the time and the manpower. As I previously stated, question answered.

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Noah's Ark a full time building project, so where did Noah get his food?

by VM44 in

here is a question about noah and his ark building project.. building an ark would be a full time job!

and not just building it, the materials that made up the ark had to be collected and fashioned, they just weren't laying about!..

ok, but what about the food, housing and clothing for noah and his family?

Brother Apostate

...suggests that such a thing might be able to be done...

My point exactly. It is certainly possible. Much to the chagrin of Bible-bashers everywhere.

The animal storage and gathering has already been covered on other threads.

It was possible as well.

Ditto to the Bible-bashers.

BA- Believer.

PS- "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - William Shakespeare, "Hamlet"

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Noah's Ark a full time building project, so where did Noah get his food?

by VM44 in

here is a question about noah and his ark building project.. building an ark would be a full time job!

and not just building it, the materials that made up the ark had to be collected and fashioned, they just weren't laying about!..

ok, but what about the food, housing and clothing for noah and his family?

Brother Apostate

Interesting conclusion. A guy in Alaska built a cabin, therefore the story of Noah's ark must be true.

Interesting conclusion. An anonymous poster on the internet won't take the time to fill in the blanks, so therefore he continues to dwell in smallmindedness.

If you are capable of it, think, then, ask questions if you don't understand the conclusion. That is, if you are capable of thinking.

BA- There's none so blind as those who will not see.

PS- Compare 3 months, one person, to up to 100 years, 8 people. If you don't get it now, you should get a tattoo on your forehead: MY NAME IS JEFFRO, MY IQ < 70, It will let the world know everything they need to know about you.

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Noah's Ark a full time building project, so where did Noah get his food?

by VM44 in

here is a question about noah and his ark building project.. building an ark would be a full time job!

and not just building it, the materials that made up the ark had to be collected and fashioned, they just weren't laying about!..

ok, but what about the food, housing and clothing for noah and his family?

Brother Apostate

I saw the tv program on Richard. Very interesting...he stayed single all his life.

Yes, indeed. Richard worked as a carpenter for the US Navy during WW2, contracted rheumatic fever, and was bedridden for six months. After recovering, he drove himself to perform in peak condition. When he left the Navy, he worked as a diesel mechanic, a heavy equipment operator, and a commercial salmon fisherman among other things before the call of the wilderness lured him to better things. That didn't leave any time for settling down, apparently. BA- I may do something similar someday

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Noah's Ark a full time building project, so where did Noah get his food?

by VM44 in

here is a question about noah and his ark building project.. building an ark would be a full time job!

and not just building it, the materials that made up the ark had to be collected and fashioned, they just weren't laying about!..

ok, but what about the food, housing and clothing for noah and his family?

Brother Apostate

You're welcome, VM44!

Here is Richard Proenneke's documentary, on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsfB6oJ55wM

BA- Cheers!

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Judicial Committee formed, can they do that with only one "witness"?

by BonaFide in

jw
friends

i have started to read about cults with the book by steve hassan.

i look over my shoulder at the library, no way in the world i will check it out or buy it and take it home.

thank you all for your recommendations.

Brother Apostate

Much like the US judicial system, laws and leagal rules are not worth the paper they are written on.

The "judge" (in this case the judicial comittee) will decide what he wants, and the law be damned.

You'll find this to be a lesson not to be ignored when you leave the JW world and re-enter the real world.

BA- I suggest you keep it in mind.

PS- "When it come to the law, 'nuthin is understood" - George Kennedy as "Dragline" in "Cool Hand Luke"

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Judicial Committee formed, can they do that with only one "witness"?

by BonaFide in

jw
friends

i have started to read about cults with the book by steve hassan.

i look over my shoulder at the library, no way in the world i will check it out or buy it and take it home.

thank you all for your recommendations.

Brother Apostate

Much like the US judicial system, laws and legal rules are not worth the paper they are written on.

The "judge" (in this case the judicial comittee) will decide what he wants, and the law be damned.

You'll find this to be a lesson not to be ignored when you leave the JW world and re-enter the real world.

BA- I suggest you keep it in mind.

PS- "When it come to the law, 'nuthin is understood" - George Kennedy as "Dragline" in "Cool Hand Luke"

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Noah's Ark a full time building project, so where did Noah get his food?

by VM44 in

here is a question about noah and his ark building project.. building an ark would be a full time job!

and not just building it, the materials that made up the ark had to be collected and fashioned, they just weren't laying about!..

ok, but what about the food, housing and clothing for noah and his family?

Brother Apostate

You obviously never heard of Richard Proeneke. A book and a documentary were made about him circa 1970s. He, by himself, with primitive hand tools, built a cabin, root cellar, and gathered and stored all supplies and food (for the winter) he would need to live in the wilderness of Alaska, in a few months time. He had to cut down the trees by hand, mill them, dimension them, and notch them by hand, build the roof, the fireplace, the doors and windows with shutters, all by hand! I have read the book and watched the documentary with original footage. He is one of many who have done accomplished such feats that by modern western stanadards most would consider impossible.

However, if you are in good physical condition and are an experienced user of hand tools and have the know-how, it can certainly be accomplished. Richard did all this at 52 years of age, and continued living there until he was 82 years of age, after which he donated the cabin and acreage to the US park service. The craftmanship he displayed in the construction of these is evidenced by the fact that the cabin still is in great shape to this day. Again, he built this to standards of excellence in a few months.

Noah, his three sons, his wife and three daughters-in-law were on hand, over possibly as much as a 100 year period (Genesis 5:32-6:14) to build the ark, in an area where gopher wood was abundant.

BA- Question answered.

PS- Next?